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[x13daYs13niGhts]

What's the point of saying indie games are rising when your point is this: Indie games --------(Quickly grow into)-----> Big mainstream companies.

Your whole argument is a contradiction.

[Yellow_Rock]

what contradiction?

small companies get bigger by being successful, that's all im saying...

[x13daYs13niGhts]

Independent is a growing market, and it will continue to grow.

There you go.

[Yellow_Rock]

meaning that the developers will grow from being just some guy in his basement to actual companies. it's the same thing ive been saying for the past however many posts.

[x13daYs13niGhts]

Do you not see the problem in your argument?

If indie companies grow into mainstream companies, ultimately the mainstream companies are profiting, not the indie companies.

[Yellow_Rock]

Do you not see the problem in your argument?

If indie companies grow into mainstream companies, ultimately the mainstream companies are profiting, not the indie companies.

my whole and only argument is that the indie companies of today will be the mainstream companies of tomorrow. this is all i am saying. they will grow and compete with the current big companies of this gen, and the companies that can't adapt will die out.

the current big companies started out where the indie devs of today did, except they had it harder, because the industry was still new. it's incredibly easy and cheap for people to make whole games by themselves these days, so they can rake in profits and grow larger.

[x13daYs13niGhts]

Do you not see the problem in your argument?

If indie companies grow into mainstream companies, ultimately the mainstream companies are profiting, not the indie companies.

Meaning you shouldn't of said INDIE GAMES ARE GOING TO BE HUUUUGE IN SOME TIME (Well yeah because they may become mainstream)

[Yellow_Rock]

when i said they would get bigger, i mean that they would grow as companies.

you just misunderstood what i said.

eventually they will be just like the current big companies are, but the process of them getting there will create a ton of great games, just like the current companies made great games on their way to the top.

a lot of the current companies have been around pretty much since the beginning, they went through a gaming "golden age". im saying that something similar will happen with the next big wave of companies, if their current products is anything to judge by. things we haven't seen before. if you give people with vision the resources to make their visions into reality, you get the next Id or Valve.

[x13daYs13niGhts]

You've changed your point like 2-3 times now.

[Yellow_Rock]

my point has always been the same. the current indie companies will grow, that's all ive ever said in this argument.

[x13daYs13niGhts]

You said they will grow into big companies (still in the genre).

You said that indie companies will replace big things like Activision.

Then you said that every single company used to be an indie company.

You're throwing the word around in different ways like no one would notice. These all connect to each other, I know, but the way you word them makes it seem like you're against me, when we are saying the same thing.

[Yellow_Rock]

indie is not a genre. indie refers to doing things independently.

im not talking about music or movies here, im talking about video games.

all i have ever said is that indie companies (the actual companies, not the people making games for free and living off of donations) will grow and eventually replace the current big companies, becoming big themselves. it's a cycle, this is what i have said from the beginning.

carmack didn't start out the leader of a major company, he started out in a basement learning how to program, just like the tons and tons of indie devs out there now.

[x13daYs13niGhts]

Indie is a genre. Genre in definition is a style of doing something.

[Yellow_Rock]

indie is not a genre. indie games can be of any genre, be it platformer, fps, rpg, rts, fighting, etc etc. it doesn't have to reflect on the nature of the game at all, just who it was created by. no one starts out as the head of a major company, they start out by themselves and work their way up.

[x13daYs13niGhts]

Genre - style of doing things. Creating your games independently - a style of doing things.

Steam has it as a genre.