FLCL and Socialism

[Curry armagedoom]

Thanks for all the discussion people, I know that porbabily I am not right, but some reference is still there!

Just to be a bit off topic, yesterday I was reading russian reversals just for fun,Does anyone knows about them ? this means like, "you do an action with something , but in russian that something does that action to YOU!

And I jut remenbered about this topic xD this would aply to FLCL in this way

"In russian you dont flat the wrinkle with your iron, its the iron that flats YOU!"

[William]

I was watching the end of episode 6 and something called my attention.

The giant arm that trys to get the iron in the end of the episode, The iron and the red lights itself, remembered me of socialism simbols. I was thinking about it, and even Medical Mecanica purpose gits the teory, beacuse they want everything flat, equal, with no lowers and highers, just plain flat, just like socialism ideals.

Hmm... an interesting idea one little problem Nazi Germany was Communist not Socialist Russia was the Socialist nation involved in WWII but enough semantics

this is a little deeper that being symbolic for that ideal its that they wanted to make everyone not think for themselves so they can be easily controlled (those wrinkles are how you think)

Nazis were not communists...THEY WERE NATIONLISTS GET IT STRAIGHT!...not to mention facists ...obviously...

[god of FLCL]

Nazis were not communists...THEY WERE NATIONLISTS GET IT STRAIGHT!...not to mention facists ...obviously...

The intent was to be a nationalist government however it operated more like the communist form that we know today (the will of one overshadowing the will of the masses) as opposed to the form carl marx intended witch is in fact no organized government at all but all people working together in harmony besides it was labeled as communist by the U.S. govt to inforce the reasons the communism was very bad

[god of FLCL]

You can still be able to process thoughts in your head, even if you aren't dead. You just can't stop thinking and bang! You're dead. In the movie, Johnny Got His Gun, he lost his sight, his hearing, his arms, and his legs, and basically couldn't do anything. He couldn't speak or anything of the sort, but he could still think. He wasn't dead, although he wished that he was.

I don't think that it honestly meant the neural pathways in between the sides of the brain, to be honest. It just pretty much meant a complete metaphor to go along with the show, because the show had to deal with maturity and "growing up". It wasn't necessarily about the neural pathways, or the brain matter.

Honestly, it's just about acting impulsively instead of acting upon rational thought. We, as humans, do not go about on impulsive ideas, and I think that's part of Haruko's reasoning, because she wants to destroy the planet to make amends for the suffocating idealism that we incorporate daily. I just doubt it's really about brain matter and all of that jazz.

OK this dude is starting to piss me off. It's NOT A F***ing metaphor the wrinkles on your brain are how you think the metaphor was useing A fact to refer to Brainwashing

And

You can still be able to process thoughts in your head, even if you aren't dead. You just can't stop thinking and bang! You're dead. In the movie, Johnny Got His Gun, he lost his sight, his hearing, his arms, and his legs, and basically couldn't do anything. He couldn't speak or anything of the sort, but he could still think. He wasn't dead, although he wished that he was.

WTF does this have to do with what I said if your brain gose you go in theory the rest of you can die but if your brain is kept alive you cant be pronounced dead

[FLCL-SS]

Nazis were not communists...THEY WERE NATIONLISTS GET IT STRAIGHT!...not to mention facists ...obviously...

The intent was to be a nationalist government however it operated more like the communist form that we know today (the will of one overshadowing the will of the masses) as opposed to the form carl marx intended witch is in fact no organized government at all but all people working together in harmony besides it was labeled as communist by the U.S. govt to inforce the reasons the communism was very bad

Actually The Nazi's Considered Themselves "National Socialists".

[DAaaMan64]

Nazis were not communists...THEY WERE NATIONLISTS GET IT STRAIGHT!...not to mention facists ...obviously...

The intent was to be a nationalist government however it operated more like the communist form that we know today (the will of one overshadowing the will of the masses) as opposed to the form carl marx intended witch is in fact no organized government at all but all people working together in harmony besides it was labeled as communist by the U.S. govt to inforce the reasons the communism was very bad

Actually The Nazi's Considered Themselves "National Socialists".

Yes that is right. While they did over shadow they were very Socialist and considered themselves progressives. Fascism used to be considered a good thing.

It'll happen again, in the form of happy fascism. yay

[Bleakhouse]

Gainax (especially Tsurumaki) has a history of referencing the red star/USSR.

-- a building in Gunbuster 2 features a red star.

-- Mamimi wears a red star shirt in FLCL. Eri wears a USSR shirt.

-- There's a song in Gunbuster that sounds a hell of a lot like the Soviet national anthem.

-- More tenuous: in both FLCL and Gunbuster 2, Tsurumaki conceived of a Fraternity of soldiers/pilots who don't have ranks-- sort of a socialist mentality.

In short, a) these references seem intentional, but b) it's an open question what, if anything, they mean. Perhaps Tsurumaki or Gainax has an affinity for socialist ideals, or perhaps they just like the imagery.

[Jotun]

PENIS

[chlovis]

Canti = Japan
Kamon = Germany
Naota = America
Haruko = Britain? what country aided America I said britain because it also ties in that haruko is the "mother" of naota...
Ninamori = USSR, shirt
Gaku + Masashi = ?

I see the resemblence in the KGB Agent, but other than the actual weight part of the Hammer, I don't see a resemblance from the Hammer and Sickle to the Iron... explain please?

and yes, hands represent a lot.

however the whole countries fighting has a lot of things.

but then what is Kitsurubami... wait... Mamimi told Kitsurubami not to shoot, but they still attacked "America" anyway... so maybe Kitsurubami is Japan? I'm confused...

I shall write in history class. thanks for keeping me awake tomorrow

This Hetalia conception is very interesting (and also you found it before Hetalia was published).

I have some thoughts about this, and will discuss it in a new thread.

[Rhetoric]

Nazis were not communists...THEY WERE NATIONLISTS GET IT STRAIGHT!...not to mention facists ...obviously...

The intent was to be a nationalist government however it operated more like the communist form that we know today (the will of one overshadowing the will of the masses) as opposed to the form carl marx intended witch is in fact no organized government at all but all people working together in harmony besides it was labeled as communist by the U.S. govt to inforce the reasons the communism was very bad

Actually The Nazi's Considered Themselves "National Socialists".

Yes that is right. While they did over shadow they were very Socialist and considered themselves progressives. Fascism used to be considered a good thing.

It'll happen again, in the form of happy fascism. yay

The Nazis actually weren't very socialist at all. The term "socialist" in the party name was employed as a tactic in the right-wing fascist movement to win over working class people from the left. There was a strong awareness among that crowd of class division and socialist theory, but national socialism was deceptive in that the working class were convinced that minority expulsion and German expansion were the keys to digging themselves out of an economic hole.

Socialism is actually, in its purest form, the workers' democratic ownership and control of the means of production. And in socialist/communist theories, the proletariat (working class) overthrows the ruling class -- the bourgeoisie, the owners of the capitalist means of production.

This makes analyzing FLCL directly through commun/socialist theories a bit more difficult. One could twist Medical Mechanica, for example, to meet the needs of a fascist definition, or a bourgeoisie definition.

Just my $.02.

[VespaRaider]

The Nazis actually weren't very socialist at all. The term "socialist" in the party name was employed as a tactic in the right-wing fascist movement to win over working class people from the left. There was a strong awareness among that crowd of class division and socialist theory, but national socialism was deceptive in that the working class were convinced that minority expulsion and German expansion were the keys to digging themselves out of an economic hole.

Socialism is actually, in its purest form, the workers' democratic ownership and control of the means of production. And in socialist/communist theories, the proletariat (working class) overthrows the ruling class -- the bourgeoisie, the owners of the capitalist means of production.

This makes analyzing FLCL directly through commun/socialist theories a bit more difficult. One could twist Medical Mechanica, for example, to meet the needs of a fascist definition, or a bourgeoisie definition.

Just my $.02.

Agreed, a more standard vocabulary for what socialism is. I word it much differently though.

When you take ownership, capitalism promotes an artificial scarcity on the mean of production through the use a of property rights, from deeds to patent laws. These allow for an acclimation of "wealth" or capital. It is like Proudhon's use of Theater chairs in a his book What is Property. The capitalist who owns more than one seat can charge interest (rent) for the ones he is not using. This also removes opportunities for other who have no seat, and must pay the price.

Socialism is based in liberalism and humanism that we are equal. Socialism removes artificial scarcity by removing privilege; rentier income. The means of production is
"owned" directly to the users; those who use it. The capitalist does not use the means of production. They merely own it, usually through the banking buddies and financiers, who are not usually mentioned often except in the anarchistic forms of socialism, and even the strangely anarchistic form of capitalism.

Although, when it comes the anarchist form of capitalism, Benjamin Tucker and Murray Rothbard are big influences in my reading and understanding. And actually do have very socialist undertones, like Rothbard rejecting patents and limiting copyright, and overall, the organization of his Anarcho-capitalist society is still voluntary contractual agreement. While being an Austrian economist, the contractual agreement can still be quite socialist in the manner that they (a community) can easily directly own a sewage plant, and since it is held by a community, or can be considered communally held... as you can tell by these two words sharing the same root word...

Now, none of this has anything to do the FLCL. At All!

It can certainly take on the standard society (normal, which Naota explains at the beginning and end of the series) vs rebel (out of the ordinary, which is Haruko, and even Mamimi). This ties into the age range of Naota. When teens start to develop their individuality they can rebel against the "system", which includes a lot of sexualized tension.

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Naota dad uses nazi cloths, I imagine if canty is representing america, and Haruko attitude to just throw Naota into the fight without doing nothing is pretty american too

hahaha lol thats true